Carol: It is my understanding that only 2 tribes of Israel are known as Jews today - Judah and Levi..
Faith: I've been studying the 2 tribes and the 10 tribes in history and scripture. Today's Israel is allegedly Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The 10 Tribes also includes Levites.
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Carol: I found the truth of the Jewish roots of Christianity.
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Faith: Amen and Amen.
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Carol: It is true that when you understand the New Testament from it's true Jewish foundations and thought patterns, it puts the whole thing in a new, better light - the light of Almighty God.
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We need to understand the New Testament with the Jewish understanding it was written with!!
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Faith: Amen. The level of holiness "wholly-ness" in living the Spirit of the Law (Yeshua - Torah) and the Letter of the Law (Torah - Yeshua) is stunning.
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We need to understand the New Testament with the Jewish understanding it was written with!!
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Faith: Amen. The level of holiness "wholly-ness" in living the Spirit of the Law (Yeshua - Torah) and the Letter of the Law (Torah - Yeshua) is stunning.
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Carol: They also don't like his two house teaching - Judah and Ephriam.
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Faith: This is interesting since the Bible is clear that the split of Judah and Ephraim will be repaired in the latter days and God will bring Ephraim back also from the 4 corners of the earth and the two - Judah and Ephraim will become one. ~ Ezekiel 37
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It just so happens, that is exactly what is occurring now with Messianics ~ Christians wanting to aliyah to Israel which would also further spread the gospel to the current Jews of Judah. Today they can prove their Jewish ancestry through DNA.
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Faith: This is interesting since the Bible is clear that the split of Judah and Ephraim will be repaired in the latter days and God will bring Ephraim back also from the 4 corners of the earth and the two - Judah and Ephraim will become one. ~ Ezekiel 37
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It just so happens, that is exactly what is occurring now with Messianics ~ Christians wanting to aliyah to Israel which would also further spread the gospel to the current Jews of Judah. Today they can prove their Jewish ancestry through DNA.
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Many of the rabbi's have long opposed the idea of the 10 Tribes returning since undoubtably the majority of such "Gentiles" who return will be Christ believers.
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"If their behavior continues as it is today ("this day") they will not return,
if they repent, they will indeed return.'
(Quote: Rabbi Shimon ben Judah of Kfar Ako says in the name of Rabbi Shimon)"
."Sanhedrin (110b): "The Ten Tribes will not return as it says (Nitzovim 29:8)
"And he threw them to a different land like this day".
Just as a day passes and will never return, they too will be exiled never to return,
these are the words of Rabbi Akivah."
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The preceding directly contradicts what scripture says in many instances regarding the 10 Tribes' return: Ezekiel 37:11-17* (additional scripture posts pending)
.Interestingly enough, DNA tests for Jewish hereditary have skyrocketed among "Gentiles" and the only reason a "Gentile" would be interested in such testing is because they are feeling the call home through the Spirit of Christ!
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The rabbi's have long forseen the implications for Christ by such a return and therefore through the "Law of Return" have restricted the definition of Jewish identity to exclude Christ believers. Not only for the alleged concerns of "proselytizing" or their ancient Christ denials as is commonly known, but, unmentioned is the fact that much of the 10 Tribes would be Christ believers having lived out in a majority Christian world. Such a return of Christ believers would effectively vastly outnumber them.
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This return would also completely fulfill God's promise to Abraham of "seed" as numerous as the stars and sand since Israel is the only true Church Body of Christ.
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The Bible is permeated throughout in distinguishing between Judah and Ephraim beginning with Jacob's blessings at least.
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The rabbi's have long forseen the implications for Christ by such a return and therefore through the "Law of Return" have restricted the definition of Jewish identity to exclude Christ believers. Not only for the alleged concerns of "proselytizing" or their ancient Christ denials as is commonly known, but, unmentioned is the fact that much of the 10 Tribes would be Christ believers having lived out in a majority Christian world. Such a return of Christ believers would effectively vastly outnumber them.
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This return would also completely fulfill God's promise to Abraham of "seed" as numerous as the stars and sand since Israel is the only true Church Body of Christ.
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The Bible is permeated throughout in distinguishing between Judah and Ephraim beginning with Jacob's blessings at least.
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In fact, Jews need look no further than right next door in Iraq for some of the 10 Tribes since they were carried off by the Assyrians and became among the first Christians in the world.
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Carol: They have the notion, I think, that all of Israel's sons are known as Jews even today, perhaps, which doesn't make sense to me.
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Faith: Again, identity is in the DNA. DNA is the language of creation, all creation has DNA, and DNA is only allocated by the Creator. Meaning, just as God said, He knows who are His and where His children are though they be scattered throughout the entire earth and don't know who they are.
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Additionally, DNA is the ultimate determiner of identity throughout the global scientific and legal spectrum. The only abberation on this is what the rabbi's have attempted to define as "A Jew". The current definition of "A Jew" as set forth by the rabbi's is scientific and legal calumny similar to Arab denials of Israel's ancient heritage in their land and attempts to "deny" them out of existence through deceit despite overwhelming scientific, historic, and archeological proofs.
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Faith: Again, identity is in the DNA. DNA is the language of creation, all creation has DNA, and DNA is only allocated by the Creator. Meaning, just as God said, He knows who are His and where His children are though they be scattered throughout the entire earth and don't know who they are.
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Additionally, DNA is the ultimate determiner of identity throughout the global scientific and legal spectrum. The only abberation on this is what the rabbi's have attempted to define as "A Jew". The current definition of "A Jew" as set forth by the rabbi's is scientific and legal calumny similar to Arab denials of Israel's ancient heritage in their land and attempts to "deny" them out of existence through deceit despite overwhelming scientific, historic, and archeological proofs.
The continuous conditioning of the rabbi's as to "who is a Jew" has actually established the belief that Judaism defines who is a Jew. They do so for the same reasons such calumny was done in history: political power.
.DNA resoundingly trounces any such man made definition of identity and effectively hands the truth of heritage back from whence it came ~ to God who decreed it before time.
.Fittingly, DNA was discovered by Dr. Fredrich Meicher and its structure (the symbol of eternity 8) was discovered by Dr. Rosalind Franklin: both are Jews. Their discovery has set countless innocents free, righted gross injustices, and holds the key to bringing the 10 Tribes home.
.Carol: I believe many lost their identity in the centuries (after the destruction of the 2nd Temple).
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Faith: Correct. But again, DNA is the undeniable determiner of ancestry -- Gentile? DNA - Bingo! Jewish hereditary. This "Gentile's" of the Jew! There're going to be lots of shocked and pleased Gentiles! This will also be something never seen in the history of the world.
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Faith: Correct. But again, DNA is the undeniable determiner of ancestry -- Gentile? DNA - Bingo! Jewish hereditary. This "Gentile's" of the Jew! There're going to be lots of shocked and pleased Gentiles! This will also be something never seen in the history of the world.
"Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?
for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."
.Isaiah 66:8 applies to Israel's rebirth in 1948, it also applies millions of times over since the 10 Tribes comprise 80% of Israel. Add the children of Abraham by faith in Christ and the numbers are significantly in the billions and from every nation and land. Thus, fulfilling in Letter ("Gentile" Jews) and Spirit (Gentile Christ believers ingrafted into Israel).
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"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."
."I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
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And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." Daniel 7:13-14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." Daniel 7:13-14
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'And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
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And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep:
And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep:
who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.'
Micah 5:7-9
.This scripture held by the Assyrian Christians is obscure and rarely cited because it does not fit the preconcieved notions of Jews and Western Christians, however, it says what it says and every word of God is true.
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"In that day shall Israel be the third to the Egyptian and the Assyrian: a blessing in the midst of the land, Which the Lord of hosts hath blessed, saying:
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"Blessed be my people of Egypt, the work of my hands Assyria, and Israel my inheritance."
Isaiah 19:24-25
.Isaiah 19:24-25
This is not the only scriptural instance where God refers to Egypt and Assyria regarding His people residing there. Both nations persecute Christians, Iraq is particularly brutal^ at this time.
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"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
.And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown,
and the outcasts in the land of Egypt,
and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem."
Isaiah 27:12-13
. Frankly, I'm shocked! Nevertheless, the Bible says what it says regardless preferences or preconcieved notions.
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Finally, Revelation shows the gates, walls, and foundations are named after the 12 Tribes of Israel. The 144,000 are 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes of Israel. God's love and covenant was not only to Judah and Benjamin (modern day Israel) His love and covenant is to the TWELVE TRIBES and the word of the Lord is never denied.
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"Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant." 1 Kings 8:56
..MOST IMPORTANTLY: We can find it all in the Bible since history and science have always served as witnesses and confirmers to what the Bible says. No one validates the Bible, it has validated itself time and again through the corridors of antiquity into today. The more I study it the more I rejoice and marvel at how God's word is a place one can happily live in forever and still never reach its end.
.See! I told you you raised some fascinating issues!
God bless you Carol.
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All glory to God in the Highest through Yeshua HaMochiach! He is Awesome!
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.*Note: This scripture is widely referred to as relating to Shoa. However, it clearly states, it is "the whole house of Israel" in the later days, and they are returning from the 4 corners of the earth. Although Shoa is recognized as relating to the Jews the 10 Tribes are lost, and Judah, Benjamin, and Levi are the possessors of the land. This indicates all of Israel has not returned yet and clearly shows the two Judah and Ephraim becoming one.
